1 00:00:05,860 --> 00:00:04,590 [Music] 2 00:00:10,540 --> 00:00:05,870 [Applause] 3 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:10,550 [Music] 4 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:12,900 [Applause] 5 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:19,670 welcome to the best of first person 6 00:00:24,790 --> 00:00:21,920 episodes of phantoms and monsters 7 00:00:28,830 --> 00:00:24,800 please like subscribe and hit the bell 8 00:00:31,910 --> 00:00:28,840 icon so you'll be notified of all future 9 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:33,590 men in black supposedly following 10 00:00:37,030 --> 00:00:35,280 roswell crash researcher 11 00:00:38,549 --> 00:00:37,040 i believe the men in black or what we 12 00:00:40,150 --> 00:00:38,559 would call them are following me 13 00:00:42,470 --> 00:00:40,160 they are tall with the stereotypical 14 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:42,480 black suits glasses and hats but in some 15 00:00:46,229 --> 00:00:44,160 cases they even wear what looks like 16 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:46,239 cowls or even black bandanas over their 17 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:46,960 mouths 18 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:48,719 they have pale skin they haven't 19 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:50,079 approached me yet as i think they are 20 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:51,760 trying to get a journal for me somehow 21 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:53,360 without having to confront me 22 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:55,360 although haven't had an opportunity how 23 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:57,199 they discovered i was creating a journal 24 00:01:00,150 --> 00:00:58,640 of my knowledge i am unaware 25 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:00,160 although i believe it to directly 26 00:01:02,549 --> 00:01:01,840 coincide with some of our work in the 27 00:01:04,469 --> 00:01:02,559 past 28 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:04,479 they are very subtle and never directly 29 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:06,560 looking at me sometimes walking within a 30 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:07,840 crowd or surprising me 31 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:09,439 of how close they might be standing 32 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:11,360 without me knowing unless i am actively 33 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:12,560 looking out for them 34 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:14,479 no matter how loof or involved they may 35 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:16,240 seem in anything they are too frequent 36 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:18,000 around me to be coincidental 37 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:19,759 i am not sure who or what they are but 38 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:21,360 they seem alien from what a human's 39 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:23,200 natural interactions or emotions would 40 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:23,759 be 41 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:29,600 they confront me directly asking about 42 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:31,439 it and i feel this to be true 43 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:32,880 if this happens i fear they will 44 00:01:35,350 --> 00:01:34,479 forcefully take it or something may 45 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,360 happen to me 46 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:37,520 those that opt not to believe me great 47 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:39,200 those that share my knowledge or can 48 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:41,360 provide any helpful info please contact 49 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:41,920 me 50 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:43,360 here is what i would like to tell the 51 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:44,960 public after all these years 52 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:47,040 when i was hired to do what i did i had 53 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:48,880 no idea the direction or scope it would 54 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:49,280 go 55 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:50,960 as did many of the people i worked for 56 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:53,119 back then it started as a research and 57 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:54,960 development on understanding ufo 58 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:56,399 activity for the government 59 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:58,240 it ended up all bought and paid for by 60 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:00,079 huge multi-million dollar cabals and 61 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:01,680 military engineers and core 62 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:03,200 that i can only begin to try and 63 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:05,360 understand now we think the aliens have 64 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:06,479 always been here 65 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:08,399 only through one scientist study were we 66 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:10,080 actually able to create something that 67 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:11,760 interfered with the vehicle's stability 68 00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:12,560 in the air 69 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,560 and even this was by accident the 70 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:16,560 roswell incident was a craft and it was 71 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:18,319 brought down by a scientist testing a 72 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:20,160 new kind of energy device 73 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:21,760 at the time it had nothing to do with 74 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:23,760 military except for when they found out 75 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:24,720 what had happened 76 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:26,480 the scientist was testing a kind of 77 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:28,480 energy operating on a higher frequency 78 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:30,400 on an unknown vibration scale at the 79 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:30,959 time 80 00:02:34,790 --> 00:02:32,800 the technology is still hidden from the 81 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:34,800 public and is very complex for anyone 82 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:36,400 without training to understand 83 00:02:40,309 --> 00:02:38,720 including me it was brought to arizona 84 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:40,319 as a weather test to bring rain to the 85 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:40,879 area 86 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:42,560 the energy was made to reverberate 87 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:44,080 outwards in a line to the sky 88 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:45,760 and began to show that more rain would 89 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:47,840 come into the area eventually it was 90 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:49,680 found that stars would begin to blip in 91 00:02:52,869 --> 00:02:51,519 and out or even wobble when the device 92 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:52,879 shot the energy added 93 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:55,120 these weren't stars they were ufo the 94 00:02:58,949 --> 00:02:56,720 scientists became obsessed now with 95 00:03:00,070 --> 00:02:58,959 these new ufos and more sightings began 96 00:03:02,070 --> 00:03:00,080 to be reported 97 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:02,080 eventually he determined his device was 98 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:03,680 able to somehow interfere with these 99 00:03:06,070 --> 00:03:04,000 lights 100 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:06,080 in the sky then coined fast walkers 101 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:07,599 flight just by pointing in their 102 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:08,239 direction 103 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:10,560 eventually bringing one down in roswell 104 00:03:14,309 --> 00:03:12,400 the craft operated on an energy we 105 00:03:15,990 --> 00:03:14,319 barely understood and still don't 106 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:16,000 the scientists and military soon 107 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:18,000 deducted the crafts actually operated 108 00:03:21,509 --> 00:03:19,680 on a resource that we were unaware of 109 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:21,519 and that this might actually be reason a 110 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:23,680 desert is in fact a desert void of water 111 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:25,680 plants and animal species whether 112 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:27,760 purposely accidental or simply lack of 113 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:28,400 concern 114 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:30,400 the alien crafts as well as perhaps the 115 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:31,440 alien themselves 116 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:33,360 consume this resource that we are slowly 117 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:34,720 perhaps affected by 118 00:03:38,789 --> 00:03:36,560 ignorant of its very existence until 119 00:03:40,710 --> 00:03:38,799 recently so in some ways the beings are 120 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:40,720 parasitic to our planet even though they 121 00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:42,640 may have been here longer than we have 122 00:03:46,149 --> 00:03:44,159 but it's hard for me to say they are 123 00:03:48,149 --> 00:03:46,159 good or bad when i don't even understand 124 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:48,159 the resource they are taking from us 125 00:03:51,509 --> 00:03:49,920 some believe though that the earth at 126 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:51,519 one point must have had a lot more of 127 00:03:55,190 --> 00:03:53,519 whatever this energy resource is 128 00:03:57,190 --> 00:03:55,200 causing longer life and even more 129 00:03:58,710 --> 00:03:57,200 variations in animal species 130 00:04:00,070 --> 00:03:58,720 they do have the craft somewhere and 131 00:04:01,589 --> 00:04:00,080 have been making money off its 132 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,599 technology ever since 133 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:03,360 there was a balloon crash in roswell 134 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:04,879 apparently but it was a direct 135 00:04:08,309 --> 00:04:06,480 malfunction of a balloon to detect 136 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:08,319 soviet nuclear activity from high 137 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:09,920 altitudes in a different area for 138 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:11,200 reasons unknown 139 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:13,360 how does a balloon crash there were six 140 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:14,959 beings recovered in roswell 141 00:04:18,469 --> 00:04:16,639 and back in the eighties it wasn't as 142 00:04:20,229 --> 00:04:18,479 big of a secret as it was now 143 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:20,239 if you remember or lived in the eighties 144 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:22,079 it wasn't uncommon to see ufos on 145 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:24,160 mainstream news investigating nuclear 146 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:25,120 facilities 147 00:04:27,990 --> 00:04:26,560 of course in the eighties there were no 148 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:28,000 living beings they had all been 149 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:30,000 preserved in special kind of plastics 150 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:31,040 after the crash 151 00:04:34,070 --> 00:04:32,960 one of them had been alive but soon just 152 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:34,080 kind of stopped 153 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:35,919 when i saw one i wasn't thinking as 154 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:37,280 people do today about them 155 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:38,720 having the fears and stories of 156 00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:40,560 abductions already pre-programmed into 157 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:41,680 my understanding 158 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:43,680 think about a very small extreme version 159 00:04:46,710 --> 00:04:45,360 of a human with asian descent and you 160 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:46,720 would be closer than a lot of the 161 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:48,000 fiction on tv 162 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:49,840 we were biologists working with what we 163 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:51,520 thought were animals and went about 164 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:53,120 everything in a pretty fascinated yet 165 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:54,960 professional kind of engagement 166 00:04:59,189 --> 00:04:56,960 the beings were small a lot smaller than 167 00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:59,199 the beings now portrayed many times 168 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:01,360 they were actually only half our size 169 00:05:05,029 --> 00:05:03,280 when you see them in such an atmosphere 170 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:05,039 your mind treats them more as perhaps 171 00:05:08,629 --> 00:05:06,800 mutated humans than an alien 172 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:08,639 their eyes were larger than human but 173 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:10,400 not so dramatically slanted like the 174 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:11,919 common understanding of the gray and 175 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:12,880 much rounder 176 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:14,880 gray is also misleading as their skin is 177 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:16,880 more brown than gray but i also can't 178 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,960 prove that gray colors don't exist 179 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:20,880 their anatomy was unlike a human as the 180 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,960 insides were very odd yet clean 181 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:24,960 back then robots weren't common but some 182 00:05:28,950 --> 00:05:26,560 of the materials inside could have been 183 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:28,960 seen as robotic by today's standards 184 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:31,199 no wires or anything recognizable just 185 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,960 to clean inside to be discerned is 186 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:34,080 entirely organic 187 00:05:37,749 --> 00:05:35,919 and materials unlike growing tissues 188 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:37,759 inside that were neatly and sparsely 189 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:38,560 oriented 190 00:05:42,150 --> 00:05:40,720 in any case the crafts quickly seemed to 191 00:05:43,749 --> 00:05:42,160 adapt to the old devices 192 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:43,759 so they haven't been able to bring one 193 00:05:54,790 --> 00:05:45,440 down on their own terms since 194 00:05:58,230 --> 00:05:56,230 roswell crash witness statement 195 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:58,240 disclosed this is a report of an 196 00:06:01,189 --> 00:05:59,840 interview i conducted of a person who 197 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:01,199 was at the roswell crash 198 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:03,759 site i am a retired engineer i joined 199 00:06:07,749 --> 00:06:05,360 the staff of the then new campus of the 200 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:07,759 university of california at santa cruz 201 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:09,520 there were several sightings of ufos in 202 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:12,160 the mountains behind the campus in 1969 203 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:13,919 and reported to the university 204 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:15,520 i was asked to interview three people 205 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:17,520 and file a report i could find no 206 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:19,440 credibility or evidence in these events 207 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:21,520 but because it was a small campus and 208 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:22,880 everybody in the sciences 209 00:06:26,309 --> 00:06:24,479 knew what was going on i got the 210 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:26,319 unwanted reputation of someone who knew 211 00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:27,600 about ufos 212 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:30,080 one day in 1970 a maintenance worker who 213 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:31,360 i knew well from my church 214 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:32,960 came into my lap and said he had a 215 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,720 friend who wanted to talk to me but did 216 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:36,720 not want to meet in a public place 217 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:38,400 i suggested we meet at my home that 218 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:39,840 evening at the time 219 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:41,440 i did not know he wanted to tell me 220 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,880 about a ufo incident 221 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:44,720 that evening i was told by the two men 222 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:46,000 that they had been captured by the 223 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:47,520 germans during world war ii 224 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:49,520 and spent a year and a half in a pow 225 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:51,440 camp they became good friends during 226 00:06:53,909 --> 00:06:52,080 that time 227 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:53,919 and remained so after the war the 228 00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:56,000 individual i interviewed was a welder by 229 00:06:59,909 --> 00:06:57,840 trade and after the war was employed at 230 00:07:02,150 --> 00:06:59,919 the roswell air force base welding jigs 231 00:07:03,189 --> 00:07:02,160 and fixers for servicing aircraft he 232 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:03,199 began by stating 233 00:07:06,629 --> 00:07:04,800 that the week before the 4th of july 234 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:06,639 flying saucers would fly over the base 235 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:08,400 in pairs every once in a while 236 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:10,000 he said they were circular and had a 237 00:07:13,510 --> 00:07:12,080 large dome on the top they were flat on 238 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:13,520 the bottom and were silent 239 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:15,120 he assumed there was some technology 240 00:07:18,309 --> 00:07:16,880 obtained from the germans he said 241 00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:18,319 everyone working there called the 242 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:20,400 flats he said that he had just returned 243 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:22,240 back to work after the 4th of july 244 00:07:25,749 --> 00:07:23,840 holiday when a truck pulled up and an 245 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:25,759 officer got out and told him to load a 246 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:27,360 cutting torch in fresh tanks 247 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:28,560 and that they were going out to the 248 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:30,800 desert he said that it was mid-afternoon 249 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:32,800 when they arrived at the crash site 250 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:34,319 he said at the time he thought a plane 251 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:36,479 had gone down he said they had a flatbed 252 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:37,919 truck loaded with wreckage and there 253 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:39,680 were soldiers on their hands and knees 254 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:41,360 picking up every piece of wreckage 255 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:43,599 and putting it in cloth bags he said the 256 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:45,759 bags were the kind used for sandbags 257 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:47,360 he said they drove a little farther out 258 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:49,199 of sight from the wreckage and came upon 259 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:50,960 a second group of people standing around 260 00:07:53,589 --> 00:07:52,160 an intact ufo 261 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:53,599 he said the brush was knocked down 262 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:55,280 indicating the craft had skidded across 263 00:07:59,189 --> 00:07:57,280 the ground and came to rest nose into a 264 00:08:00,150 --> 00:07:59,199 natural berm with the back side slightly 265 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,160 off the ground 266 00:08:04,869 --> 00:08:02,479 he described the craft as being about 25 267 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:04,879 to 26 feet in diameter with a large dome 268 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:05,599 on top 269 00:08:08,790 --> 00:08:07,280 he said the craft was the color of wheat 270 00:08:10,309 --> 00:08:08,800 tea with a burnished finish 271 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:10,319 he said there were no signs of weld 272 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:12,639 marks seams or rivets and that all the 273 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:13,120 edges 274 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:15,360 had either an insider outside radius 275 00:08:17,589 --> 00:08:16,800 there were no visible windows or 276 00:08:19,589 --> 00:08:17,599 openings 277 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:19,599 that was why he was brought there he was 278 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:21,280 told to cut an opening in the dome big 279 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:22,960 enough for a man to crawl through 280 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:24,639 by this time it was getting to be late 281 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:26,160 afternoon and there were soldiers 282 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:28,160 setting up a bank of portable lights 283 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:29,759 he said he began cutting a hole from the 284 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:31,840 base of the dope he said it was a tough 285 00:08:35,190 --> 00:08:33,760 alloy and slow cutting but the material 286 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:35,200 was surprisingly thin 287 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:36,800 he tried bending the metal out of his 288 00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:38,320 way as he was cutting but the metal 289 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:40,080 would spring back to its original shape 290 00:08:42,790 --> 00:08:41,279 without creasing 291 00:08:44,710 --> 00:08:42,800 he finished his cut and set the metal 292 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:44,720 piece aside and looked into the cockpit 293 00:08:47,910 --> 00:08:45,680 for a few seconds 294 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,920 before he was ordered off the craft he 295 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:49,600 said it was difficult to see very far 296 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:50,399 into the craft 297 00:08:53,829 --> 00:08:51,920 because of the glare from the portable 298 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:53,839 lights and the cockpit was full of smoke 299 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:55,200 from the cutting torch 300 00:08:58,870 --> 00:08:56,800 he said he saw two beings who appeared 301 00:09:00,389 --> 00:08:58,880 to be dead he said the copy it had a 302 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:00,399 strong smell of ammonia 303 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:02,000 he described the two beams as being 304 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:03,360 about four foot tall but they were 305 00:09:06,070 --> 00:09:04,000 doubled up 306 00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:06,080 so it was hard to say they were wearing 307 00:09:09,269 --> 00:09:07,839 what he said where skin-tight purplish 308 00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:09,279 flight suits that reminded him of 309 00:09:11,829 --> 00:09:10,080 sequence 310 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:11,839 he described their headsets what we now 311 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:13,200 refer to as graves 312 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:14,480 he said there were no visible 313 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:16,480 instruments that he could see he was 314 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:18,160 ordered off the craft with his gear 315 00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:20,320 and returned to the air base he said it 316 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:21,920 was dark when they arrived and he was 317 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:23,920 escorted by barn guards into a building 318 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:25,120 for a debriefing 319 00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:26,720 he said there were several high-ranking 320 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:28,480 officers at the table along with four or 321 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:30,160 five civilians in suits 322 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:32,000 he said that after he was debriefed he 323 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:33,839 was told that he was not to talk about 324 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:35,360 what he had seen as it was a state 325 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:37,040 secret and if he was caught divulging 326 00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:38,640 anything he would spend the rest of his 327 00:09:41,910 --> 00:09:40,160 life in prison or worse 328 00:09:43,509 --> 00:09:41,920 he was scared to death by the threat and 329 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:43,519 my friend and myself were the only 330 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:45,680 people he ever told and that was 23 331 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:47,040 years after the event 332 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:49,120 when we started the interview i was told 333 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:50,720 that i could not take notes or use the 334 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:51,440 recorder 335 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:53,360 he was very nervous telling the story 336 00:09:57,190 --> 00:09:55,200 and had to be reassured by my friend 337 00:09:58,949 --> 00:09:57,200 that i would not betray him he said that 338 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:58,959 what had been described as the roswell 339 00:10:02,389 --> 00:10:00,800 event was not true and he wanted the 340 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:02,399 truth told after his death 341 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:03,920 he asked did i keep what he told me a 342 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:05,680 secret until after his death which i 343 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:06,480 have done 344 00:10:09,509 --> 00:10:08,160 he and my friend both passed away in the 345 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:09,519 late 1980s 346 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:11,120 when i heard this story i did not know 347 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:13,600 what to think i was not a ufo buff i had 348 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:15,440 never heard the roswell's story 349 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:17,120 my friend said this guy was the real 350 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:18,880 thing and during the interview i never 351 00:10:20,949 --> 00:10:20,160 sensed anything odd about his 352 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:20,959 presentation 353 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:23,279 or with his mannerisms he provided a lot 354 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:24,240 more information 355 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:26,079 that i have stated but the interview was 356 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:28,240 almost 50 years ago and forgotten 357 00:10:31,509 --> 00:10:30,160 i think he was telling the truth my 358 00:10:32,069 --> 00:10:31,519 friend was a very honorable and 359 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:32,079 trustworthy 360 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,680 man who would not knowingly support a 361 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:35,760 bogus story i never saw her spoke the 362 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:37,440 welder again after that evening 363 00:10:40,790 --> 00:10:38,880 i had shared my knowledge of this 364 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:40,800 interview with a couple of investigators 365 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:51,590 odd incidents in roswell i was in los 366 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:53,200 angeles at my mom's house 367 00:10:56,949 --> 00:10:55,040 while my friend was visiting our other 368 00:10:57,910 --> 00:10:56,959 friend who had just moved to roswell new 369 00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:57,920 mexico 370 00:11:01,829 --> 00:11:00,079 all of a sudden i got a text from lee 371 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:01,839 she was very frightened and wanted to 372 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:02,240 know 373 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:04,240 if there were such things as aliens for 374 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,399 real she felt that something was 375 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:08,560 gonna happen to her she texted me 376 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:10,160 everything that was happening to her as 377 00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:10,800 it happened 378 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:12,399 and i could tell by the way she was 379 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:14,000 typing her words that she was 380 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:16,320 terrified and scared for her life i 381 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:18,399 became very frightened myself as i read 382 00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:19,360 her texts 383 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:21,040 i kept telling her to call me and she 384 00:11:25,110 --> 00:11:23,279 wouldn't she just continued texting 385 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:25,120 and finally she said she didn't want to 386 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:27,120 call because they would hear her 387 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:29,279 anyway this is the story she told me 388 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:31,279 about what happened to her that night 389 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:33,120 she was coming back from a late night 390 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:35,200 colin hobbs like 2 am 391 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:37,440 and she still had several miles to go to 392 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:38,320 reach the house 393 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:40,560 where she was staying in roswell she 394 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:42,160 said that she saw a light in the sky 395 00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:44,000 zoom past her from the front 396 00:11:47,590 --> 00:11:46,000 then suddenly she became aware of very 397 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:47,600 bright lights behind her car 398 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:49,519 that seemingly came out of nowhere but 399 00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,440 were following her car in very close 400 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:53,519 proximity and resembled the headlights 401 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,240 of a car 402 00:11:58,230 --> 00:11:56,000 except that there was no car visibly 403 00:11:59,990 --> 00:11:58,240 attached to them it was as if the lights 404 00:12:00,230 --> 00:12:00,000 themselves were floating and following 405 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:00,240 her 406 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:01,839 when she would speed up they would speed 407 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:03,760 up very close to her car 408 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:05,440 when she would slow down they would slow 409 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:06,959 down even more to the point 410 00:12:10,629 --> 00:12:08,720 where they were no longer close to her 411 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:10,639 car anymore but they would stall way 412 00:12:13,269 --> 00:12:11,600 further behind 413 00:12:15,350 --> 00:12:13,279 so that she could still not get a good 414 00:12:17,829 --> 00:12:15,360 look at the vehicle behind the lights 415 00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:17,839 then she would speed up to 100 miles per 416 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:19,120 hour at one point 417 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,880 because she was trying to see how far 418 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:22,399 they would go to keep up with her 419 00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:24,240 and they were almost glued to her bumper 420 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:26,240 at that point they had no problem 421 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:27,839 staying right along with her at that 422 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:28,320 speed 423 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:30,480 and yet they would not pass her while 424 00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:32,560 she was driving very fast trying 425 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:34,240 to shape the lights the inside of her 426 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:36,079 car filled up with the noise 427 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:38,399 that she could not quite put into words 428 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:40,160 she said it seemed to be coming from her 429 00:12:43,509 --> 00:12:41,200 purse beside her 430 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:43,519 and it was a loud and terrifying sound 431 00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:45,440 unlike anything she ever heard before 432 00:12:49,030 --> 00:12:47,200 and she felt at that moment that they 433 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:49,040 were trying to make her crash 434 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:51,120 she started noticing all the skid marks 435 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:53,120 on the road that were going off the road 436 00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:54,240 in the same direction 437 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:56,480 and how many there were one after the 438 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,959 other like almost 30 sets of skid marks 439 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:01,040 all within a one mile stretch of road 440 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:03,120 that she felt was designated for that 441 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:05,040 purpose and she felt that it was 442 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:06,000 intended for her to 443 00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:08,560 do the same she got the idea that they 444 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:10,000 were amused by her fear 445 00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:11,600 and that they could read her mind and 446 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:13,519 that's why she was afraid to call me 447 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:15,440 because she felt they would hear her 448 00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:17,360 almost as fast as the lights appeared 449 00:13:20,069 --> 00:13:18,320 they disappeared 450 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:20,079 and she resumed her driving normally 451 00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:22,000 till she reached her friend's house 452 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:23,839 she was so scared she couldn't even get 453 00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:25,920 out of the car our friend had to come 454 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,720 get her 455 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:28,720 she got very very ill the next day she 456 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:30,000 couldn't get out of bed 457 00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:32,240 she was terribly sick for two days 458 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:34,079 before the incident occurred she was not 459 00:13:37,990 --> 00:13:36,399 one to really care too much one way or 460 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:38,000 the other about other life forms 461 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:39,680 and she bordered on disbelief in 462 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:41,519 anything she had not seen with her own 463 00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:42,240 eyes 464 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,480 she now has a firm belief in alien life 465 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:46,560 forms and she also believes that they 466 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:48,480 were trying to run her off the road 467 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:50,160 that night and that they had run several 468 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,600 people off the road before 469 00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,600 evidenced by the many skid marks that 470 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:55,279 were veering off the road in the same 471 00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:56,880 direction in that one little mile 472 00:14:00,069 --> 00:13:58,240 stretch of highway 473 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:00,079 the other strange thing that happened 474 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:02,000 was that when we were both discussing 475 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:04,160 it a few days later we wanted to retrace 476 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:06,160 her route that she took that night to 477 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:07,760 try to determine where it had happened 478 00:14:10,389 --> 00:14:08,480 exactly 479 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:10,399 and her latitude history for that little 480 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:12,160 stretch of time was missing 481 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,680 we looked at all the records of the 482 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:15,920 texts that we sent back and forth both 483 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,600 on her phone and on mine 484 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:19,920 we both have google voice and it saves 485 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:21,440 every text and phone call 486 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:23,120 yet there was no trace of any of the 487 00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:24,560 texts on either end 488 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:27,279 it was very strange then two weeks after 489 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:29,040 this happened my daughter came to visit 490 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:30,160 me in california 491 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:32,320 she had done a movie shootout in roswell 492 00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,000 and she told me this story 493 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,839 she was shooting a movie about aliens 494 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:38,160 and she wanted it on location in roswell 495 00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,760 so she brought her equipment and crew 496 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:41,440 members out to roswell 497 00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,279 they shot the scenes and ended up having 498 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:44,959 to spend the night out there 499 00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:47,120 so she went to the hotel and paid for 500 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:48,560 several rooms for herself 501 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,880 and her crew members for the night upon 502 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:52,320 going to bed she discovered 503 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:54,160 as did the rest of her crew members in 504 00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,360 each of their own rooms 505 00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:57,279 that the bed mattresses and box springs 506 00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:59,279 were covered with massive blood stains 507 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,279 and there was not a mattress or box 508 00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:02,959 spring in the whole hotel that did not 509 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,880 have blood stains on it for which they 510 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,199 would not even offer an explanation 511 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:09,040 why would the whole hotel be filled with 512 00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:10,880 mattresses covered with blood 513 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:13,519 very scary stuff needless to say they 514 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:13,920 left 515 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:17,470 and will not be returning casey 516 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:24,069 this is lon strickler if you like this 517 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,959 program 518 00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,720 it would help us if you would give it a 519 00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:28,079 thumbs up 520 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:30,959 then subscribe and click the bell icon 521 00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:31,440 so you 522 00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:33,759 get notification when we upload new 523 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:35,839 first person encounters 524 00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:38,959 we have many more to come very soon and 525 00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:41,440 by 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